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“Family Travel” TweetChat: This Week’s Transcript

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Transcript from March 2, 2011 to March 3, 2011
All times are Pacific Time
 
March 2, 2011
12:24 am
familytravel4um:
What concerns do you have about family travel? We want to hear about them so join our next #FTFchat Wednesday at 9pm: http://bit.ly/dEkCWv
1:15 am
familytravel4um:
Don’t miss one of the hottest TweetChats:Travel Trends and Family Travel issues Wed 9 pm ET #FTFChat What’s going on in this vital market?
1:44 am
WALKINBAG:
RT @familytravel4um: What concerns do you have about family travel? We want to hear about them so join our next #FTFchat Wednesday at…
2:40 am
trtravel:
One of the hottest TweetChats:Travel Trends and Family Travel issues Wed 9 pm ET #FTFChat What’s going on in this vital market? @trarticles
5:57 pm
newmediatravel:
Counting down to tonite’s chat on family travel trends, challenges. Not 2 b missed. #FTFChat 9 pm ET. Join the conversation
5:57 pm
familytravel4um:
Counting down to tonite’s chat on family travel trends, challenges. Not 2 b missed. #FTFChat 9 pm ET. Join the conversation
5:57 pm
trtravel:
Counting down to tonite’s chat on family travel trends, challenges. Not 2 b missed. #FTFChat 9 pm ET. Join the conversation
7:58 pm
familytravel4um:
@holidayworld – hope you’ll join our Tweetchat Weds nites, 9pm ET #FTFchat – and share what’s up from your POV on family travel trends!
8:12 pm
familytravel4um:
RT @VisitSiouxFalls – Can’t wait for @wildwaterwest1 opening. Tell us more tonight on our family travel trends Tweetchat 9pm ET #FTFchat
8:22 pm
familytravel4um:
RT PLS! We are having an #FTFchat tonight at 9pm EST: http://bit.ly/dEkCWv We will talk about all things family travel. See you there!
8:26 pm
familytravel4um:
RT PLS! #FTFchat tonight at 9pm EST: http://bit.ly/dEkCWv We will talk about all things family travel. Tell us your questions!
 

March 3, 2011

12:10 am
newmediatravel:
Less than 2 hours to the famly travel TweetChat #FTFChat 9 pm ET. Join the conversation about all things famly and travel
12:10 am
familytravel4um:
Less than 2 hours to the famly travel TweetChat #FTFChat 9 pm ET. Join the conversation about all things famly and travel
12:32 am
familyonbikes:
RT @familytravel4um: Less than 2 hours to the famly travel TweetChat #FTFChat 9 pm ET. Join the conversation about all things famly and travel
1:58 am
familyonbikes:
Is #FTFChat on tonight?
1:58 am
newmediatravel:
@familyonbikes you bet! few minutes #FTFChat
1:59 am
familytravel4um:
RT @hvbabywilltrvl – Stash a handful of baggies in your bag, use for carrying along leftovers to eat later as snacks. Chat now at #FTFchat
2:00 am
newmediatravel:
Welcome to tonite?s FTF Chat. I?m Kaleel Sakakeeny @newmediatravel Kyle McCarthy @familytravel4um and I alternate moderating #FTFChat
2:00 am
newmediatravel:
I?m on tonight and hope we can get into what family travel is all about today. #FTFChat
2:01 am
newmediatravel:
Lets wait a few minutes before we begin. Meanwhile do check in if you want and let us know you?re here #FTFChat
2:02 am
newmediatravel:
And I cant believe how cold its gotten. From a “balmy: 47 to nearly 10! Too much #FTFChat
2:03 am
familytravel4um:
True, too cold here. But I’d love to hear what’s new with family on bikes, sounds so cool, are there many of you? #FTFchat #FTFchat
2:04 am
newmediatravel:
Interesting name #FTFChat
2:05 am
familyonbikes:
@familytravel4um We are nearly done! After almost 3 years, we’ve pedaled 17,000 miles. 350 more to cycle! #FTFchat
2:05 am
familytravel4um:
@familyonbikes -what’s new with family on bikes, sounds so cool, are there many of you? #FTFchat
2:05 am
familyonbikes:
@familytravel4um We are four – me, hubby, 13-year-old twin boys.#FTFchat
2:06 am
worldschooled:
Checking out the #FTFchat First time I’ve heard of it, is it new?
2:06 am
newmediatravel:
@familyonbikes 17.000 miles! Incredible. A record? #FTFChat
2:07 am
familytravel4um:
RT @newmediatravel @familyonbikes: @familytravel4um We are four – me, hubby, 13-year-old twin boys. #FTFchat
2:07 am
newmediatravel:
@worldschooled welcome. This is our second chat. We are just getting rolling #FTFChat
2:07 am
familyonbikes:
@newmediatravel the boys will have the world record as the youngest to cycle the length of the Americas when we arrive #FTFchat
2:08 am
familyonbikes:
@worldschooled First time I’ve heard of #FTFchat too!
2:08 am
newmediatravel:
Well. welcome both. Any questions before we start, formally #FTFChat
2:09 am
familytravel4um:
It’s our 2nd week, practicising this tweetthing with all of you, so thanks for joining us. #FTFchat
2:09 am
familyonbikes:
@familytravel4um Always fun to chat with other family travelers! #FTFchat
2:10 am
newmediatravel:
Probably a good time to start formally..have specific questions on family trends and attitudes, and then we go #FTFChat
2:10 am
newmediatravel:
An innkeeper told me recently he didn?t want families staying at his inn. #FTFChat
2:11 am
familyonbikes:
@newmediatravel Are you serioius? He didn’t want families? Bizarre! #FTFchat
2:11 am
newmediatravel:
How was he defining Family Travel, I asked. Blank! How do you define Family Travel? What is it today. Two parents and 1.5 kids #FTFChat
2:12 am
familytravel4um:
@newmediatravel – Not surprising about inns, I hear that a lot especially when you arrive with little kids and a muddy dog. #FTFchat
2:12 am
newmediatravel:
Was that his take on family? On Family travel. Typical? Or true #FTFChat
2:12 am
wendies13:
His was pretty limited. Families don’t just mean wee, noisy ones #ftfchat
2:12 am
familyonbikes:
@newmediatravel I think family travel is any time parents/kids leave the house for more than a day outing. #FTFchat
2:13 am
newmediatravel:
But that raises the question what IS family travel. Can “kids” be 24? 36? #FTFChat
2:13 am
familyonbikes:
@familytravel4um I’ve never had anybody not welcome us because we had kids. I don’t think anyway… #FTFchat
2:14 am
familytravel4um:
The USTA defines family travel as 2 or more related people living in the same household – so couples fall into that definition #FTFchat
2:14 am
wendies13:
absolutely.. even that is a challenge… how about grand folks or married children and spouses #ftfchat
2:14 am
newmediatravel:
@familyonbikes can family travel be a reunion of older parents and older childreen? #FTFChat
2:14 am
familyonbikes:
@newmediatravel I think if kids are 24 or 36, then it’s an adult group. #FTFchat
2:15 am
familytravel4um:
@worldschooled – is your family the whole world? I love that concept, whether kids are young or adult. #FTFchat
2:15 am
wendies13:
but still a family.. a very different dynamic #ftfchat
2:15 am
newmediatravel:
@wendies13 I agree. @familyonbikes but it is still a family and thus family travel No? #FTFChat
2:15 am
familyonbikes:
@newmediatravel A family reunion would be “family” to the family, but to anyone else, an adult group. #FTFchat
2:16 am
newmediatravel:
I was FT editor @travelweekly for a while until it was concluded that all travel IS family travel. #FTFChat
2:17 am
familytravel4um:
@familyonbikes @newmediatravel – Agreed, but it seems even adult kids are now happy to have “parents” pay for vacations #FTFchat
2:17 am
1Dad1Kid:
Ditto. What is it? RT @familyonbikes: @worldschooled First time I’ve heard of #FTFchat too!
2:17 am
newmediatravel:
Of course I lost my job as a result of that thinking, but, IS there a diff between travel and family travel @familytravel4um #FTFChat
2:17 am
worldschooled:
Depends how specific u want to me. To me family travel is with kids under 18. #FTFChat
2:18 am
newmediatravel:
Welcome @1Dad1Kid #FTFChat
2:18 am
wendies13:
yes they still like to be paid for… when should ‘kids” be asked to contribute/ #ftfchat
2:18 am
familyonbikes:
@newmediatravel gree all travel is, technically, family travel. But really – a group of 75-yr-olds wouldn’t have ‘family’ needs. #FTFchat
2:18 am
familytravel4um:
@1Dad1Kid – just talking travel trends tonight, welcome. Trying to decide if travel w/ adult kids qualifies as family travel #FTFchat
2:19 am
newmediatravel:
@worldschooled Really? Very interesting. Family travel is with kids under 18. #FTFChat
2:19 am
wendies13:
Boy we need to re-define ourselves… guess the kids have to pay now! #ftfchat
2:20 am
newmediatravel:
@familytravel4um I think thats a key point. Why isn’t family travel travel with families #FTFChat
2:20 am
familyonbikes:
@worldschooled @newmediatravel I tend to agree that family travel is with school-aged kids. #FTFchat
2:20 am
familytravel4um:
I wonder why I feel like a little kid when I travel with my mom, yet other adults can’t make me feel quite the same way… #FTFchat
2:20 am
newmediatravel:
AND, can we say any travel is really Family Travel? Meaning, what does family travel have to have to be specifically family travel #FTFChat
2:21 am
wendies13:
Don’t want to get hung upon this def. At what point should kids contribute $$ or ideas #ftfchat
2:21 am
familyonbikes:
@familytravel4um @newmediatravel We need a term to differentiate needs – ‘family’ indicates children. Adventure, mature, etc… #FTFchat
2:22 am
worldschooled:
@familytravel4um Maybe cause ur mom uses your full name when she gets mad at you? #FTFchat
2:22 am
familyonbikes:
@newmediatravel What does family travel have to have to be family travel? Kids. #FTFchat
2:22 am
travelgoon:
Don’t want anyone defining what family travel is. It is what it is to the “family”, be what it may…. RT @familytravel4um … #FTFchat
2:22 am
newmediatravel:
@wendies13 good question. Should kids pay for part of their travel, the family travel? #FTFChat
2:22 am
wendies13:
from a marketing view it probably does mean Kids…but could expand #ftfchat
2:23 am
familytravel4um:
@wendies13 – I have adventurous, mature college kid who travels with family because he doesn’t have to pay. Pay, go w/friends! #FTFchat
2:23 am
wendies13:
We hit a point where we asked ours to pay for their own meals #ftfchat
2:24 am
newmediatravel:
@traveelgoon OK. Good point. So a destination doesn’t have to have a kids eat free or stay free to be a family travel destination? #FTFChat
2:24 am
familytravel4um:
@travelgoon – I’m with you, lots of our friends are like family, only easier to travel with so we do wkends with them. #FTFchat
2:24 am
newmediatravel:
sorry @travelgoon #FTFChat
2:25 am
familyonbikes:
@travelgoon @newmediatravel We never go to the “kids eat free” places, but they may still be great for families. #FTFchat
2:25 am
newmediatravel:
I see lots of places advertising as Family Friendly. What does that man? What is UnFamily Friendly then? #FTFChat
2:26 am
familyonbikes:
@newmediatravel I’ve never understood the Family Friendly thing – makes no sense to me. We expect our kids to behave. #FTFchat
2:26 am
familytravel4um:
No kids eat free or stay free at our family destinations b/c we’d prefer a place that fits what we think our own needs are. #FTFchat
2:26 am
newmediatravel:
@familyonbikes why don’t you go to those places? #FTFChat
2:27 am
wendies13:
for us they are too packaged… but could be a relief for some fams. #ftfchat
2:28 am
familytravel4um:
@familyonbikes @newmediatravel – Kids have to learn to behave in lots of situations, travel just makes those moments public #FTFchat
2:28 am
newmediatravel:
@wendies13 Right . So, how does a family pick a destination or type of travel #FTFChat
2:29 am
familyonbikes:
@newmediatravel We tend to travel low budget – the “kids eat free” places are expensive. Plus we go off the beaten track. #FTFchat
2:30 am
newmediatravel:
Also, seeing attitudes change @newmediatravel just did a story about biz travelers hating to share biz cabin with kids, families! #FTFChat
2:30 am
familytravel4um:
I am ready to follow @familyonbikes – sounds like you have traveled far and wide appreciating the elements #FTFchat
2:30 am
wendies13:
exactly. and FTF do you think travel MAKES kids better behaved? #ftfchat
2:30 am
familyonbikes:
@familytravel4um I agree – I guess I think the “Family Friendly” places maybe are more tolerate of snotty kids and temper tantrums? #FTFchat
2:30 am
1Dad1Kid:
@familytravel4um You should! @familyonbikes is doing an amazing adventure! #ftfchat
2:31 am
familyonbikes:
@familytravel4um We’ve traveled many, many miles. Our kids are great travelers! #FTFchat
2:31 am
1Dad1Kid:
I never understand family friendly. Usu that = boring to me. Seem designed to keep my child entertained rather than give actual exp #ftfchat
2:32 am
familyonbikes:
@familytravel4um @1Dad1Kid Aw thanks! Our adventure is now almost over. #FTFchat
2:32 am
1Dad1Kid:
@familyonbikes @familytravel4um “many miles” is a vapid understatement #ftfchat
2:32 am
wendies13:
what will you do next? #ftfchat
2:32 am
familytravel4um:
@1Dad1Kid @familyonbikes – what happens when 13 year old twins have a double tantrum? What’s the disciplinary process? #FTFchat
2:32 am
familyonbikes:
@1Dad1Kid Agreed. Why put kids in daycare when reason for travel is to be with them? #FTFchat
2:32 am
worldschooled:
@familyonbikes I agree Family Friendly isnt appealing to me. My boys r part of society and behave that way. #FTFchat
2:33 am
familyonbikes:
@wendies13 @1Dad1Kid I’ll sit on the couch and eat bon bons! #FTFchat
2:33 am
1Dad1Kid:
@worldschooled And how does it train them to be part of society if they don’t need manners, self entertainment, etc #ftfchat
2:33 am
1Dad1Kid:
@familyonbikes Whatever. Maybe for 1 week. #ftfchat
2:34 am
newmediatravel:
Question: Some people think kids and families should noy travel on the same planes as everyone else. #FTFChat
2:34 am
familyonbikes:
@familytravel4um Thankfully, it’s never happened. But – we’ve banished one kid to the other side of the road if they keep fighting! #FTFchat
2:34 am
1Dad1Kid:
@chippy2u We hvnt been to AUS yet. We’re starting with Central & South America #ftfchat
2:34 am
familytravel4um:
@worldschooled Have your kids had a meltdown on vacation? I think allowing kids to fall apart in public is a new trend, Acceptable #FTFchat
2:34 am
worldschooled:
@familyonbikes @1Dad1Kid Not everyone travels like or for the same reasons we do, thats for sure! #FTFchat
2:35 am
1Dad1Kid:
The airplane thing is tough. I’ve been on flights where I felt I was tortured by a screaming baby but overall i pay the same price #ftfchat
2:35 am
familyonbikes:
@worldschooled @1Dad1Kid Yup. Kids learn to act appropriately by being in normal situations. #FTFchat
2:35 am
1Dad1Kid:
The airplane thing is tough. I’ve been on flights where I felt I was tortured by a screaming baby but overall it’s part of life #ftfchat
2:35 am
newmediatravel:
Hate to repeat..but this is a big issue when flying and why some travelers want family free airlines. Thoughts? #FTFChat
2:36 am
familytravel4um:
Maybe public bad behavior is what’s driving biz traveler & others bonkers on planes. Should parents be on watch more? #FTFchat
2:36 am
newmediatravel:
1Dad1Kid maybe your life, but not the other passenger’s in the next seat? #FTFChat
2:36 am
1Dad1Kid:
@familytravel4um Tantrums aren’t always tantrums. It cld = stress. I have to decide cause/reason before I decide abt intervention #ftfchat
2:36 am
worldschooled:
All kids have meltdowns, the world is a frustrating place 4 a child but they rnt throwing themselves on the ground screaming #FTFchat
2:36 am
familyonbikes:
@worldschooled I think some parents want to relax on the beach and not take care of kids. I don’t get it, but maybe OK. #FTFchat
2:36 am
1Dad1Kid:
@newmediatravel I pay the same price as they do. It’s just part of travel. What r they supposed to do? #ftfchat
2:36 am
familyonbikes:
@1Dad1Kid I’ve BEEN that parent with a screaming kid on an airplane! It was WAY worse for me than you! #FTFchat
2:37 am
worldschooled:
@1Dad1Kid of course they need manners! but they dont need artificial environments! #ftfchat
2:37 am
familyonbikes:
@familytravel4um I think all parents do the best they can to avoid tantrums and meltdowns, but what can you do? #FTFchat
2:38 am
1Dad1Kid:
@familyonbikes I have seen some parents who dont seem to care, but generally u can tell theyre doing everything they can #ftfchat
2:38 am
newmediatravel:
@1Dad1kid, some say sedate, “drug” the kids that way they’ll be calm and not stress out the crew, pax and parents #FTFChat
2:38 am
1Dad1Kid:
@worldschooled Totally. Artificial enviro teaches nothing #ftfchat
2:38 am
1Dad1Kid:
@newmediatravel Frankly I’ve seen more adults needing sedation than kids. #ftfchat
2:39 am
familytravel4um:
We’ve all been a parent w/screaming child & all been adult w/sore ears, but I blame parents who don’t pay attention. Not kids #FTFchat
2:39 am
1Dad1Kid:
@newmediatravel I’ve been on buses with goats and chickens. U deal. #ftfchat
2:39 am
newmediatravel:
Drugging Kids on Planes as an article created a tremendous response. Many parents were in favor. Many horrified. Would you do it? #FTFChat
2:39 am
chippy2u:
@1Dad1Kid when u finish South America & if u can get over the plane thing #Australia is a fab destination for family travel #FTFchat :-)
2:39 am
familyonbikes:
@chippy2u I haven’t been to Australia – hubby cycled there many years ago. #FTFchat
2:39 am
1Dad1Kid:
@familytravel4um Right! Not the kid’s fault. And most parents r doing their best but only so much u can do #ftfchat
2:40 am
1Dad1Kid:
@chippy2u Yes, we’ll be doing AUS and NZ as well. Hitting all continents #ftfchat
2:40 am
familytravel4um:
@1Dad1Kid @newmediatravel – goats & chickens know their place #FTFchat
2:40 am
newmediatravel:
But other kidless passengers don’t see it that way #FTFChat
2:40 am
1Dad1Kid:
@newmediatravel I absolutely would not support sedating a child for a flight unless there was a medical reason they needed #ftfchat
2:40 am
familyonbikes:
@newmediatravel I traveled extensively with my twins when they were little and they didn’t need drugs. Well, one time… #FTFchat
2:41 am
familytravel4um:
@worldschooled @1Dad1Kid – are you calling a plane an artificial enviro? pls explain this #FTFchat
2:41 am
1Dad1Kid:
@newmediatravel As I said, I’ve seen more unruly adult pax than children #ftfchat
2:41 am
newmediatravel:
@familytravel4um can you tell them apart, being a New Yorker? #FTFChat
2:41 am
1Dad1Kid:
RT @familytravel4um: goats & chickens know their place #ftfchat
2:41 am
familyonbikes:
@1Dad1Kid Agreed! I have a hard time giving my kids Tylenol – sedating them? nah! #FTFchat
2:42 am
1Dad1Kid:
@familytravel4um @worldschool No, the “family friendly” places. Dsnt get much more real than an airplane lol #ftfchat
2:42 am
newmediatravel:
I think someone should start a Family Travel Airline so parents and kids can meet each other and travel stress free #FTFChat
2:42 am
familyonbikes:
@1Dad1Kid WAY more unruly adults than kids! Good grief! #FTFchat
2:42 am
familytravel4um:
lol. yes, betwen goats, kids, pets, bad enviros, sort of. we have standards for behavior in NY tho few uphold them. #FTFchat
2:42 am
1Dad1Kid:
@familyonbikes If u have to sedate ur kids to fly, u shld prob look at an alternative transportation #ftfchat
2:42 am
FearfulGirl:
@1Dad1Kid @newmediatravel My mother (6 kids) used to give us antihistamines on flights. Good for travel sickness + mild sedation. #ftfchat
2:43 am
1Dad1Kid:
@familyonbikes Just read the news! Adults PUNCHING crew becuz they’re told to turn off their phone?! #ftfchat
2:43 am
familytravel4um:
A family friendly airline would only carry kids so that parents could travel w/adults and read a good book or nap. #FTFchat
2:43 am
newmediatravel:
The medical profession, oddly, has no opinion about this #FTFChat
2:43 am
twokidsandamap:
Ugh. Adults pushing buttons on tv annoy me.RT @familytravel4um Bad behavior is what’s driving biz traveler. Parents on watch more? #FTFchat
2:43 am
1Dad1Kid:
@FearfulGirl @newmediatravel If there’s a medical reason, sure. But just to keep them quiet? I can’t agree or support. #ftfchat
2:43 am
newmediatravel:
Drug of choice for harried parents seems to be Benedryl #FTFChat
2:44 am
1Dad1Kid:
RT @familytravel4um: A family friendly airline wld only carry kids so that parents cld travel w/adults and read a good book or nap. #ftfchat
2:44 am
familyonbikes:
@newmediatravel I’ve been on lots of planes in my lifetime and have rarely been bothereed by kids. Think more myth than reality #FTFchat
2:44 am
familytravel4um:
@FearfulGirl @1Dad1Kid – mild sedation on planes can backfire. My pediatrician told us to always test a drug on land 1st #FTFchat
2:44 am
1Dad1Kid:
@newmediatravel Well I’m in the medical profession, and I have an opinion! LOL #ftfchat
2:44 am
newmediatravel:
@fearfulGirl welcome. What was your take on drugging kids on planes? Missed it? #FTFChat
2:44 am
1Dad1Kid:
I’ve never heard of “stress-free” travel. #ftfchat
2:45 am
worldschooled:
No way man, sedation is not cool. My kids dont do drugs! :) #ftfchat
2:45 am
twokidsandamap:
As well as adults screaming into their cell phones be4 plane leaves & too loud MP3 players. Adults should know better too. #ftfchat
2:45 am
1Dad1Kid:
RT @familyonbikes: WAY more unruly adults than kids! Good grief! #ftfchat
2:45 am
familyonbikes:
@1Dad1Kid Ugh. Think I need to keep pedaling my bike… #FTFchat
2:45 am
PCHousing:
Checking in late to #ftfchat this evening. Hope we didn’t miss all the good stuff! #ftfchat
2:45 am
newmediatravel:
@1Dad1Kid the article is on familyravelforum.com do please comment on it. #FTFChat
2:45 am
1Dad1Kid:
RT @twokidsandamap: As well as adults screaming into their cell phones be4 plane leaves & too loud MP3 players. #ftfchat
2:45 am
1Dad1Kid:
@familyonbikes LOL Seriously #ftfchat
2:46 am
chippy2u:
@familyonbikes when then, it sounds to me that it definitely warrants a return with the family! :-) #Australia #FTFchat
2:46 am
1Dad1Kid:
@newmediatravel Will do. U can count on it. LOL #ftfchat
2:46 am
newmediatravel:
@PCHousing welcome. We are or were talking about sedating kids on planes to keep them calm #FTFChat
2:46 am
familyonbikes:
@twokidsandamap That’s just it – everybody is acting poorly these days – kids AND adults. Where do kids learn behavior?? #FTFchat
2:46 am
1Dad1Kid:
@familytravel4um @FearfulGirl Yep! Can sometimes have opposite effect in kids #ftfchat
2:47 am
familyonbikes:
@chippy2u Australia is high on our list! #FTFchat
2:47 am
familytravel4um:
@twokidsandamap – do the adults on planes bother you more than kids? Funny, biz guys can be sooo rude & pushy. #FTFchat
2:47 am
FearfulGirl:
@newmediatravel My mum used to take us from AUS the US (6 kids) and give us an antihistamine for sickness + sedation. #FTFchat
2:47 am
1Dad1Kid:
RT @familyonbikes: @twokidsandamap That’s just it-everybody is acting prly these days – kids AND adults. Where do kids lrn behav?? #ftfchat
2:47 am
familyonbikes:
@newmediatravel Special Ed teachers have long known that caffeine frequently helps calm hyperactive kids. #FTFchat
2:48 am
newmediatravel:
@FeargulGirl there you go, and that was in the day! #FTFChat
2:48 am
familyonbikes:
@familytravel4um biz guys are totally obnoxious and think they own the plane! #FTFchat
2:48 am
1Dad1Kid:
@familyonbikes Definitely! Same premise as giving ADHD kids “uppers” #ftfchat
2:49 am
1Dad1Kid:
The worst! RT @familyonbikes: @familytravel4um biz guys are totally obnoxious and think they own the plane! #ftfchat
2:49 am
familytravel4um:
They were kids, tho. Kids gd behavior starts in the home, u hope it gets taught at school, hope it gets support in community #FTFchat
2:49 am
newmediatravel:
Just read that Biz Travelers are asking airlines not to let kids and families in business class. Prohibit anyone under 18. Could be #FTFChat
2:49 am
1Dad1Kid:
This sense of entitlement ppl seem to have these days makes them think they can act like royal jerks & every1 else shld deal #ftfchat
2:49 am
1Dad1Kid:
@familytravel4um I wld disagree. Good behavior should be taught at HOME. #ftfchat
2:50 am
twokidsandamap:
@familytravel4um Yes! On plane 5m ago. Behind us 2adults, 1lap child. Much seat kicking. Glanced back to find it was adult not kid. #ftfchat
2:50 am
familyonbikes:
@1Dad1Kid @newmediatravel Maybe the biz travelers should be banned? #FTFchat
2:50 am
newmediatravel:
@fearfulgirl do you do as your parents did? #FTFChat
2:50 am
familyonbikes:
@1Dad1Kid Sad thing is that kids are learning that sense of entitlement earlier and earlier. #FTFchat
2:50 am
familytravel4um:
@1Dad1Kid -Ok, but we need role models. Not @charliesheen for eg. and maybe there are anti-rude drugs? #FTFchat
2:51 am
travelgoon:
Heck yeah. Those touch screen games on planes are horrid. RT @twokidsandamap: Ugh. Adults pushing buttons on tv annoy me #FTFchat
2:51 am
1Dad1Kid:
RT @familyonbikes: @1Dad1Kid @newmediatravel Maybe the biz travelers should be banned? #ftfchat
2:51 am
FearfulGirl:
@newmediatravel I don’t have kids. #ftfchat
2:51 am
1Dad1Kid:
@familyonbikes Totally! And often becuz their parents refuse to do their damn job & be actual parents! #ftfchat
2:51 am
familyonbikes:
@1Dad1Kid Good behaviior should START at home, but be taught everywhere. #FTFchat
2:51 am
twokidsandamap:
@familytravel4um Add in the surround sound MP3 players so loud I could hear them over the engines. Was a miserable 8h flight. #ftfchat
2:52 am
1Dad1Kid:
@familytravel4um Parents from my generation shld know better. IDK what changed #ftfchat
2:52 am
1Dad1Kid:
@ExodusFamily Thanks! I am thoroughly pleased with my name. LOL #ftfchat
2:52 am
PCHousing:
It’s impossible to please every1 on a flight. As long as biz travelers hv respect for families & vice-versa, probs can be minimized #ftfchat
2:52 am
1Dad1Kid:
Agreed. But has to start at home RT @familyonbikes:@1Dad1Kid Good behaviior should START at home, but be taught everywhere. #ftfchat
2:52 am
familyonbikes:
@1Dad1Kid Parents are too busy lazing around the beach while kids are at family friendly places… #FTFchat
2:52 am
newmediatravel:
@1dad1kid what does that mean? Should know what better? #FTFChat
2:53 am
worldschooled:
@twokidsandamap @familytravel4um R airplane rides ever not miserable? Doesnt matter who is on them! #ftfchat
2:53 am
1Dad1Kid:
@familyonbikes I get tired of ppl blaming teachers for not doing the parents’ job #ftfchat
2:53 am
travelgoon:
A business traveler would be *lucky* to sit next to one of my kids…. #ftfchat
2:53 am
1Dad1Kid:
@newmediatravel Not have this sense of entitlement & not shirk their resp onto others #ftfchat
2:53 am
familytravel4um:
@PCHousing Oh you r an optimist! #FTFchat
2:53 am
familyonbikes:
@PCHousing I totally sagree that everyone should be able to work together. Be flexible and accept may not be perfect. That’s life. #FTFchat
2:53 am
1Dad1Kid:
Bwahaha RT @familyonbikes: Parents are too busy lazing around the beach while kids are at family friendly places… #ftfchat
2:54 am
familytravel4um:
@1Dad1Kid @familyonbikes I get tired of ppl blaming teachers for not doing the parents’ job – yes reminds me of Wisconsin! #FTFchat
2:54 am
newmediatravel:
@worldschooled, well, some people think it dos matter. There should be kid and family free flights. Watch for a surchaarge? #FTFChat
2:54 am
1Dad1Kid:
I have a friend who takes his kids on a cruise every yr. He spends most of his time away from them. What? So bizarre to me. #ftfchat
2:54 am
FearfulGirl:
@newmediatravel @1dad1kid Truth be told, it’s heated discussions like this that put me off wanting kids. It’s so political! #ftfchat
2:54 am
familyonbikes:
@1Dad1Kid Me too, trust me on that one! (speaking as a 21-year classrooom veteran!) #FTFchat
2:55 am
1Dad1Kid:
I disagree with the idea of kid- & family-free flights. #ftfchat
2:55 am
familyonbikes:
@FearfulGirl Kids are the best thing I ever did. My life would be so empty without them. #FTFchat
2:55 am
familytravel4um:
RT @FearfulGirl: Truth be told, its heated discussions like this that put me off wanting kids. Its so political! – No. so personal. #FTFchat
2:55 am
newmediatravel:
@FearfulGirl @1dad1kid why do these discussions make you glad you don;t have children? #FTFChat
2:56 am
travelmaus:
RT @familyonbikes: @1Dad1Kid Good behaviior should START at home, but be taught everywhere. #FTFchat
2:56 am
familyonbikes:
@1Dad1Kid Kid and family-free flights is just flatout stupid. #FTFchat
2:56 am
newmediatravel:
@FearfulGirl nothing more personal than people, esp families and kids but its all good stuff, no? #FTFChat
2:57 am
twokidsandamap:
This is the truth! RT @worldschooled @familytravel4um R airplane rides ever not miserable? Doesnt matter who is on them! #ftfchat
2:57 am
1Dad1Kid:
RT @familyonbikes: @FearfulGirls I have to agree. My life is far more complete becuz of my children. Wldnt replace it. #ftfchat
2:57 am
newmediatravel:
@familyonbikes why stupid. Families might love it? #FTFChat
2:57 am
familytravel4um:
@travelmaus – yes and we’ve decided that teachers are too often blamed for bad parenting, even on vacation #FTFchat
2:57 am
1Dad1Kid:
@familyonbikes It’s a ridic American thing that ppl shldnt be inconvenienced. #ftfchat
2:57 am
worldschooled:
@familyonbikes @FearfulGirl Agreed, couldnt imagine my life with out them. They have changed me for the better a million times over #FTFchat
2:57 am
1Dad1Kid:
Word! RT @worldschooled @familytravel4um R airplane rides ever not miserable? Doesnt matter who is on them! #ftfchat
2:57 am
familyonbikes:
@FearfulGirl @newmediatravel I think it’s good to talk about this stuff – just so we’re all aware of issues. #FTFchat
2:58 am
FearfulGirl:
@newmediatravel Didn’t say “glad” but raising kids these days is so political ? so many passionate opinions! #ftfchat
2:58 am
familyonbikes:
RT @worldschooled @FearfulGirl Agreed, couldnt imagine my life with out them. They’ve changed me for better a million times over #FTFchat
2:59 am
1Dad1Kid:
Usually from nonparents @FearfulGirl @newmediatravel Raising kids these days is so political?so many passionate opinions! #ftfchat
2:59 am
worldschooled:
@FearfulGirl The only opinion that matters is your own, just like anything else! #ftfchat
2:59 am
FearfulGirl:
@newmediatravel Not sure, seems like a hellofalot of pressure to me to please all of the people all of the time. #ftfchat
2:59 am
familytravel4um:
RT@worldschooled Agreed, couldnt imagine my life with out them. They have changed me for the better a million times -kids do that #FTFchat
2:59 am
newmediatravel:
@newmediatravel @familytravel4um OK, all. Signing off time. Loved having you. Heated! Great. See you next week? #FTFChat
2:59 am
1Dad1Kid:
YES! RT @worldschooled: @FearfulGirl The only opinion that matters is your own, just like anything else! #ftfchat
2:59 am
familyonbikes:
@newmediatravel Kids need to be in real life situations to learn what’s expected of them. Why isolate them? #FTFchat
3:00 am
1Dad1Kid:
RT @familyonbikes: @newmediatravel Kids need to be in real life situations to learn what’s expected of them. Why isolate them? #ftfchat
3:00 am
travelermode:
@familyonbikes @1Dad1Kid I completely agree! #FTFchat
3:00 am
FearfulGirl:
@1Dad1Kid @worldschooled True, but if you do things alternatively with kids, it seems u open yourself up for vehement disagreement #ftfchat
3:00 am
1Dad1Kid:
@familyonbikes How else do they learn? Ignorant children become ignorant adults #ftfchat
3:01 am
familyonbikes:
@FearfulGirl Nah – all you need to please is yourself and your kids. Not that hard. #FTFchat
3:01 am
newmediatravel:
Thanks and good night! See you next Wednesday #FTFChat
3:01 am
familytravel4um:
RT@familyonbikes: Kids need to be in real life situations to learn whats expected of them. – Yes, best thing about travel-does that #FTFchat
3:01 am
familyonbikes:
@FearfulGirl @1Dad1Kid EVerybody thinks they know how to raise your kids better than you do. Hit hte ignore button. #FTFchat
3:02 am
1Dad1Kid:
That’s when u learn to ignore them. Do what u think is right for ur children. All any of us can do. @FearfulGirl @worldschooled #ftfchat
3:02 am
familyonbikes:
@1Dad1Kid I’ve seen a lot of ignorant adults in my years of teaching… #FTFchat
3:02 am
1Dad1Kid:
So true! RT @familyonbikes: @FearfulGirl EVerybody thinks they know how to raise ur kids better than you do. Hit hte ignore button #ftfchat
3:03 am
worldschooled:
@FearfulGirl @1Dad1Kid I am very alternative in my approach but like I said, all that matters is what I think. #ftfchat
3:03 am
familyonbikes:
@FearfulGirl RE: vehement disagreement. Tell me about it!!! We’ve faced our share of criics, but well worth it! #FTFchat
3:03 am
familyonbikes:
@familytravel4um Exactly – travel puts kids in the world. Just where they need to be. #FTFchat
3:03 am
FearfulGirl:
@1Dad1Kid @worldschooled ‘What u think is right’ ?love. But if sedation is what you believe in, hell hath no fury in this forum. #FTFchat
3:04 am
1Dad1Kid:
@worldschooled Preach it girlfriend! #ftfchat
3:04 am
familyonbikes:
@worldschooled You do have to be strong in what you think if you’re going to be in the public eye though. Critics are tough! #FTFchat
3:04 am
1Dad1Kid:
@FearfulGirl @worldschooled: While I disagree with it, I can’t judge how someone else parents. #ftfchat
3:04 am
1Dad1Kid:
@pwag Ewww lol #ftfchat
3:05 am
1Dad1Kid:
@familyonbikes Ditto in healthcare. #ftfchat
3:05 am
familyonbikes:
@FearfulGirl Just be sure you can withstand criticism and do it your own way. That’s all! (easier said than done) #FTFchat
3:05 am
1Dad1Kid:
@familyonbikes @worldschooled They sure are! And I so don’t care what their opinion is. #ftfchat
3:05 am
familytravel4um:
@worldschooled: @FearfulGirl @1Dad1Kid Civility here. We cope w/ rude biz trvlrs & sedated kids & opinionated passerby We b parents #FTFchat
3:06 am
familyonbikes:
@1Dad1Kid If you got the direct attacks like we’ve had, you would care. But then you would learn not to care. #FTFchat
3:06 am
worldschooled:
@FearfulGirl @1Dad1Kid That is in every situation in life Same w traveling the world, people will always hv something bad to say #ftfchat
3:06 am
FearfulGirl:
@1Dad1Kid My mum did awesome with 6 kids, sedation or not! Only *some* of us grew up to be stimulant dependant. #FTFchat
3:07 am
familyonbikes:
@familytravel4um As parents, we deal with it all. #FTFchat
3:07 am
1Dad1Kid:
I used to be one of the tongue clickers. Now I’ve dealt with a handful of special needs kids. Now I smile & nod in encouragement #ftfchat
3:07 am
FearfulGirl:
@familyonbikes You’re an inspiration. #FTFchat
3:07 am
FearfulGirl:
@1Dad1Kid And you’re an inspiration too #FTFchat
3:07 am
1Dad1Kid:
@worldschooled @FearfulGirl Totally! If we live according to others’ opinions, oh my will we be lost #ftfchat
3:07 am
familyonbikes:
@FearfulGirl Your mum did what she felt was best. You turned out OK. #FTFchat
3:08 am
1Dad1Kid:
I have. I get it. @familyonbikes If you got the direct attacks like we’ve had, you wld care. But then you would learn not to care. #ftfchat
3:08 am
FearfulGirl:
@worldschooled This is true. Anyone living alternatively gets criticised. #FTFchat
3:09 am
1Dad1Kid:
Awww. Thx! RT @FearfulGirl: @1Dad1Kid And you’re an inspiration too #ftfchat
3:09 am
familyonbikes:
@worldschooled @1Dad1Kid We have to be true to ourselves as human beings. NOt only parents. #FTFchat
3:09 am
familytravel4um:
@FearfulGirl – I am in awe of your mom with 6 kids. Bravo! She must have lived her own life. #FTFchat
3:09 am
1Dad1Kid:
And it’s usu jealousy @FearfulGirl @worldschooled This is true. Anyone living alternatively gets criticised. #ftfchat
3:09 am
familytravel4um:
RT @familyonbikes: @worldschooled @1Dad1Kid We have to be true to ourselves as human beings. NOt only parents. So well said. #FTFchat
3:10 am
1Dad1Kid:
@familyonbikes: @worldschooled To thine own self be true. There’s no other way. #ftfchat
3:10 am
familyonbikes:
@1Dad1Kid @FearfulGirl @worldschooled Sometimes jealousy. Sometimes they truly feel you are abusing your kids. #FTFchat
3:11 am
FearfulGirl:
@familytravel4um Mum and her six kids: she always seemed to manage it with a skip in her step. #FTFchat
3:11 am
1Dad1Kid:
Usu smokescreen @familyonbikes @FearfulGirl @worldschooled Sometimes jealousy. Sometimes they truly feel you are abusing your kids. #ftfchat
3:12 am
chippy2u:
I don’t have children, but very much enjoyed yr chat! All u mums & dads out there are an inspiration! take my hat off to ya’ll :-) #FTFchat
3:12 am
familyonbikes:
@FearfulGirl My mom had 5 kids. We traveled all over and it was fine. She managed. #FTFchat
3:12 am
FearfulGirl:
@familyonbikes @1Dad1Kid Met lots of kids on boats sailing the world (even babies). Some would say child abuse. Not me, though. #FTFchat
3:12 am
familytravel4um:
RT @FearfulGirl:@familytravel4um Mum and her six kids: she always seemed to manage it with a skip in her step.-She’s inspiration #FTFchat
3:12 am
familyonbikes:
@chippy2u Thanks so much! #FTFchat
3:13 am
familyonbikes:
@FearfulGirl Yep. Some say we are forcing our kids to ride their bikes. No way! #FTFchat
3:13 am
1Dad1Kid:
I was prob 1 of the weird ones who thot the 15 y/o girl shldv been allowed to do her solo sail. #ftfchat
3:13 am
familytravel4um:
@chippy2u – thx for the love, it’s actually really nice being a parent when you get beyond the grief, pain, expense, worry, etc #FTFchat
3:14 am
1Dad1Kid:
@familyonbikes @FearfulGirl Total ignorance. I’ve spent time with ur kids. They aren’t being forced. #ftfchat
3:14 am
FearfulGirl:
@familyonbikes Ba-ha! Good luck ‘forcing’ your kids with that. #FTFchat
3:15 am
familyonbikes:
@1Dad1Kid What ended up wtih that girl sailing? I didn’t hear anythign? #FTFchat
3:15 am
1Dad1Kid:
Amen! RT @FearfulGirl: @familyonbikes Good luck ‘forcing’ your kids with that! #ftfchat
3:15 am
familytravel4um:
@FearfulGirl @familyonbikes @1Dad1Kid – kids on boats sailing the world. I wouldve been tortured, I get so seasick. Misery. #FTFchat
3:15 am
FearfulGirl:
@1Dad1Kid I was one of the weird ones too. If the girl wants to sail, the girl wants to sail … #ftfchat
3:15 am
familyonbikes:
@FearfulGirl Exactly. Like we could force them to keep pedaling… #FTFchat
3:16 am
worldschooled:
@familyonbikes @1Dad1Kid She had to be rescued didnt she? #Ftfchat
3:16 am
1Dad1Kid:
Yes, but so do many adults. RT @worldschooled: @familyonbikes She had to be rescued didnt she? #ftfchat
3:16 am
FearfulGirl:
@familyonbikes @1Dad1Kid Jessica Watson made it back alive and well. #ftfchat
3:16 am
familyonbikes:
@worldschooled The 13-year-old Dutch girl was rescued? I knew the 16-year-old was. #FTFchat
3:16 am
RealCanadianTS:
RT @newmediatravel: Also, seeing attitudes change @newmediatravel just did a story about biz travelers hating to share biz cabin with kids, families! #FTFChat
3:17 am
1Dad1Kid:
@familyonbikes Anyone who has spent more than 10 mins w/your boys knows they’re loving it #ftfchat
3:17 am
chippy2u:
@familytravel4um haha I have no doubt! My sisters have kids so am very aware what they go through & the huge responsibility! :-) #FTFchat
3:18 am
familyonbikes:
@1Dad1Kid Yup. But the critics won’t take the time to get to know them. #FTFchat
3:18 am
familytravel4um:
@RealCanadianTS @newmediatravel – Canadians have independent kids, just look @justinbieber. Can anyone force him to do anything? #FTFchat
3:18 am
1Dad1Kid:
@familyonbikes Course not. Then they’d have to eat their words, & they hate doing that #ftfchat
3:19 am
chippy2u:
@familyonbikes your welcome and I hope you, your hubby & kids make it down here sometime! :-) #FTFchat
3:19 am
FearfulGirl:
@familyonbikes @1Dad1Kid The critics are idiots. #ftfchat
3:19 am
familyonbikes:
@FearfulGirl Jessica Watson was rescued but alive. And the 130year-old Dutch girl? Laura?? #FTFchat
3:19 am
1Dad1Kid:
Word! RT @FearfulGirl: @familyonbikes @1Dad1Kid The critics are idiots. #ftfchat
3:20 am
familyonbikes:
Yup! RT @FearfulGirl @familyonbikes @1Dad1Kid The critics are idiots. #ftfchat
3:20 am
FearfulGirl:
@familyonbikes Nope, Watson wasn’t rescued. #FTFchat
3:20 am
familytravel4um:
RT @FearfulGirl: @familyonbikes @1Dad1Kid The critics are idiots. So true when it comes to parenting, but it’s still hurtful. #FTFchat
3:21 am
familyonbikes:
@FearfulGirl Jessica Watson was rescued for sure. I dont know about the younger one. #ftfchat
3:21 am
FearfulGirl:
@familyonbikes Dutch girl, I believe, was the one rescued. I lose track of all the kids sailing the world, though. #FTFchat
3:22 am
familyonbikes:
@familytravel4um Still VERY hurtful! I had plenty of sleepless nights until I truly was at peace with what we’re doing. #FTFchat
3:23 am
familyonbikes:
@FearfulGirl Just searched! Jessica Watson rescued. Laura Decker set sail 22 August. #FTFchat
3:23 am
FearfulGirl:
@familyonbikes Jessica Watson made it back to Australia successfully! I’m 100% on this (I read sailing mags). #FTFchat
3:24 am
FearfulGirl:
@familyonbikes Watson was rescued early – she hit a cargo ship at the start of her voyage, but she did successfully circumnavigate #FTFchat
3:24 am
familytravel4um:
@familyonbikes @familytravel4um -feel yr pain but I admire u for what youv taught kids about goals & achieving impossible. #FTFchat
3:25 am
familyonbikes:
@FearfulGirl Now I remember! Jessica Watson made it. Then another was rescued. Then Laura set out. #FTFchat
3:25 am
FearfulGirl:
@familyonbikes It’s confusing, isn’t it? #FTFchat
3:26 am
familyonbikes:
@familytravel4um thanks! My boys have dared to dream the impossible dream and reach the unreachable star. #FTFchat
3:26 am
1Dad1Kid:
We can’t parent according to others’ desires. Our kids r unique entities. #ftfchat
3:27 am
familyonbikes:
@FearfulGirl The brother of the girl who was rescued crossed the Panama Canal the same time we did – he in sailboat, us on bikes.#FTFchat
3:28 am
familyonbikes:
@FearfulGirl Abby Sunderland!!! She was rescued at sea. #FTFchat
3:28 am
FearfulGirl:
@familyonbikes Wow, awesome! How do you cross the Panama Canal on a bike? #FTFchat
3:29 am
FearfulGirl:
@familyonbikes That’s the girl! Poor Abby. #FTFchat
3:30 am
familyonbikes:
@FearfulGirl We actually crossed the canal on the bridge – but then we pedaled alongside it from the pacific to the Atlantic. #FTFchat
3:31 am
1Dad1Kid:
@familyonbikes @familytravel4um And they’ve almost reached a big one! They’ll be unstoppable as adults too! #ftfchat
3:31 am
FearfulGirl:
@familyonbikes That would be AWESOME. Did you watch all the boats going through the Canal? #FTFchat
3:32 am
familyonbikes:
@1Dad1Kid I think you are right. They know they can do anything. Just have to decide to do it. #FTFchat
3:32 am
1Dad1Kid:
@familyonbikes And after this they’ll laugh at anyone who says “you can’t” #ftfchat
3:32 am
1Dad1Kid:
@twokidsandamap Me too! I always try to be encouraging. I know what it’s like. #ftfchat
3:33 am
familyonbikes:
@FearfulGirl WE did – way cool to watch ships rise and fall! #FTFchat
3:34 am
familytravel4um:
@1Dad1Kid @familyonbikes @FearfulGirl – Unstoppable- need that in our beliefs, but of course consensus is a social need. #FTFchat
3:35 am
FearfulGirl:
@familyonbikes I think I’d rather be on a bike that a boat, though always been eager to do Canal on a boat (stressful though) #FTFchat
3:39 am
arrowssentforth:
Agree! How else do we expect kids to learn how to be good trvlrs? RT @1Dad1Kid I disagree w/ idea of kid- & family-free flights. #ftfchat
3:40 am
1Dad1Kid:
Now you’ve done it. I’m writing a post about societal consensus. #FTFChat
3:40 am
familytravel4um:
@1Dad1Kid @twokidsandamap @familyonbikes @FearfulGirl Night all, thx for the inspiration, will get into shape for RTW tour in a.m. #FTFchat
3:41 am
1Dad1Kid:
@arrowssentforth Or anything! It’s all about real-life situations. That’s how they learn. #ftfchat
3:51 am
travelgoon:
Look forward to it. RT @1Dad1Kid: Now you’ve done it. I’m writing a post about societal consensus. #FTFChat
3:54 am
1Dad1Kid:
@travelgoon I dunno. Think I may lose some ppl with this one. LOL #FTFChat
3:57 am
travelgoon:
Or gain even more. Or change minds. RT @1Dad1Kid: @travelgoon I dunno. Think I may lose some ppl with this one. LOL #FTFChat
4:00 am
1Dad1Kid:
@travelgoon I dunno. This is pretty . . . frank lol #FTFChat
4:19 am
familyonbikes:
@familytravel4um @1Dad1Kid @twokidsandamap @familyonbikes @FearfulGirl thanks for a great chat! #FTFchat
4:20 am
FearfulGirl:
@familyonbikes @familytravel4um @1Dad1Kid @twokidsandamap Yep, thanks from me too. It was fun! #FTFchat
4:35 am
1Dad1Kid:
@familyonbikes Thank YOU! BTW I’m writing a blog post spurred by today’s convo. Ur mentioned. #FTFchat
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